From hannah.pelikan at liu.se Fri Feb 3 08:36:58 2023 From: hannah.pelikan at liu.se (Hannah Pelikan) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2023 15:36:58 +0000 Subject: [emcai] EMCA/AI network in 2023 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear EMCAI network members, Thanks for a great start of this year?s meetings last Friday, with 17 people present! Please feel free to add to the meeting minutes and find the Zoom chat attached. We also welcome you to add or update your presentation slide if you haven?t done so yet. Our next meeting will take place on February 24th at: - BST (London): 12:00am - CET (Berlin, Stockholm, Paris): 1:00 pm - EDT (Boston, New York): 7:00am - Hong Kong: 7:00pm Zoom link: https://liu-se.zoom.us/j/69884330110 This will be a data session, please message us if you would like to present data! If you know others who might be interested in joining the discussions, please share information about the network here! Have a great weekend and hope to see you at the end of the month! Hannah Pelikan, Lynn de Rijk, and Saul Albert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- 13:00:56 From Hannah Pelikan (LiU) to Everyone: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1GeCKrN_-uQE5BE5qziiMeMSCH6RxOK-tUbZIqw96WjA/edit#slide=id.p 13:03:43 From Saul Albert to Everyone: Previously we had a shortcut for this section of the meeting - but probably good to invite everyone to fill in a slide here if you haven???t got one yet ???? https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1GeCKrN_-uQE5BE5qziiMeMSCH6RxOK-tUbZIqw96WjA/edit 13:11:28 From Saul Albert to Everyone: Zoom introductions pelmanism. Gets harder the longer you play! 13:11:57 From Saul Albert to Everyone: Still to be introduced: Ole, Wyke, Andreas, 13:12:14 From Saul Albert to Everyone: Antonia? Did I miss yours? 13:12:31 From Antonia Lina Krummheuer to Everyone: Iwas second :) 13:12:36 From Saul Albert to Everyone: ???? 13:14:16 From Lucien TISSERAND to Everyone: partly ???? 13:20:04 From Antonia Lina Krummheuer to Everyone: could you give the reference /doi again? 13:20:44 From Hannah Pelikan (LiU) to Everyone: This is work in progress, sorry for missing to announce this 13:21:37 From Antonia Lina Krummheuer to Everyone: thanks for sharing ! 13:21:49 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone: Yes, not published yet, first draft so far :) 13:21:53 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone: Reacted to "thanks for sharing !" with ???? 13:23:30 From Andreas Liesenfeld to Everyone: Everyone: Please feel free to recommend any journals/venues that would be a good fit for this work! :) 13:24:39 From Antonia Lina Krummheuer to Everyone: ROLSI? 13:25:20 From Nicolas Rollet to Everyone: Interaction Studies (Dautenhahn) ? 13:25:42 From Antonia Lina Krummheuer to Everyone: AI and Society??? 13:26:08 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone: Replying to "AI and Society???" That is our current plan 13:26:09 From Saul Albert to Everyone: @Antonia: thanks! That was actually our intended target so far... 13:26:22 From Saul Albert to Everyone: Replying to "AI and Society???" ???? 13:26:37 From Antonia Lina Krummheuer to Everyone: Reacted to "@Antonia: thanks! Th..." with ???? 13:28:12 From Saul Albert to Everyone: Great presentation Lynn thanks ???? 13:28:36 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone: Yes, many thanks Lynn :) 13:28:55 From Andreas Liesenfeld to Everyone: Great presentation! Thank you Lynn ???? 13:29:34 From Hannah Pelikan (LiU) to Lynn de Rijk (they/them)(Direct Message): Don???t worry I can take notes 13:30:06 From Hannah Pelikan (LiU) to Lynn de Rijk (they/them)(Direct Message): (Like general notes, you might of course want to take specific ones for the paper revision) 13:31:47 From Hannah Pelikan (LiU) to Everyone: Did you count Suchman 1987 and 2007 as one? 13:39:23 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone: Replying to "Did you count Suchma..." Great point. Indeed, we counted it as two. If we would combine 1987 and 2007 it would be first cited resource :) 13:39:56 From Andreas Liesenfeld to Everyone: Replying to "Did you count Suchma..." Ha great catch! 13:40:16 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone: Replying to "Did you count Suchma..." I think we mentioned it in the Copenhagen Paper but didn't include it in this draft 13:40:21 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone: Replying to "Did you count Suchma..." Many thanks Hannah! 13:40:24 From Hannah Pelikan (LiU) to Everyone: Replying to "Did you count Suchma..." Ah, nice I think that may be good to mention in the paper 13:41:30 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone: The citation counts, first 10: SSJ 1974 - 33 Garfinkel 1967 - 29 Suchman 1987 - 22 Suchman 2007 - 22 Schegloff 2007 - 21 Sacks 1992 - 18 Sidnell and Stivers 2012 - 13 Jefferson 2004 - 11 Schegloff 1977 - 11 Porcheron et al. 2018 - 10 13:44:59 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone: Schegloff 1977 = Schegloff, Jefferson and Sacks on repair 13:46:24 From Hannah Pelikan (LiU) to Everyone: Yamazaki sociological interaction analysis at HRI and CHI 13:47:02 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone: So far we included only work published by Japanese researchers in English 13:47:29 From Nicolas Rollet to Everyone: Fumihide Tanaka 13:48:37 From Saul Albert to Everyone: Nishisawa Hiro Yuki https://researchmap.jp/read0127768?lang=en 13:52:52 From Antonia Lina Krummheuer to Everyone: This is the program of a HRI workshop I organised last years with a lot of Japanese working with CA (or close to) ????. Not sure they publish in English. 13:53:17 From Andreas Liesenfeld to Everyone: Great ! Thank you for sharing 13:53:41 From Saul Albert to Everyone: Empirical focus was the decision yes... 13:55:46 From Mathias Broth (LiU) to Everyone: So maybe this could be made explicit in the title? 13:56:00 From Saul Albert to Everyone: Good point Mathias. 13:56:02 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone: Replying to "So maybe this could ..." Good point, thanks! 13:56:04 From Hannah Pelikan (LiU) to Lynn de Rijk (they/them)(Direct Message): Did we set a fixed time? Do we end at 2, 2.30 or 3? 13:57:08 From Saul Albert to Everyone: Perhaps there needs to be a different paper focusing also on theoretical approaches, then yet another for applied approaches within language & speech technology. 13:57:55 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone: Replying to "Perhaps there needs ..." That's what seems to be the case to me... 13:58:04 From Wyke Stommel to Everyone: Maybe we can add a bit more of the conceptual contribution to the introduction 13:58:17 From Stuart Reeves to Everyone: WHO IS HENRY VIII???? 13:58:21 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone: Reacted to "Maybe we can add a b..." with ???? 13:58:40 From Stuart Reeves to Everyone: (or rather who will be our Henry VIII?) 13:59:38 From J.P. de Ruiter to Everyone: ???When p-values fail, we resort to EMCA??? 13:59:53 From Saul Albert to Everyone: ?????? 13:59:59 From Nicolas Rollet to Everyone: Aside point, going along Damien???s remark : I think doing an analysis of how some PHD students in Social Computing, machine learning, actually integrate (or try to) EM_CA concepts such as pre-closing, how they struggle regarding modelization, might enhance the EM/CA view about the thickness, multi-layered aspect of social action. 14:00:00 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone: Reacted to "???When p-values fail,..." with ???? 14:01:11 From Wyke Stommel to Everyone: In line of Damien's point: maybe we can add an overview/table of in which discipline (journals) the texts appeared 14:01:23 From Stuart Reeves to Everyone: gotta run to another meeting, sorry - thanks for the meeting! 14:02:10 From Nicolas Rollet to Everyone: Reacted to "???When p-values fail,..." with ???? 14:02:27 From Lucien TISSERAND to Everyone: who was interviewed ? 14:02:34 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone: Probably this - thanks JP. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/06/podcasts/transcript-ezra-klein-interviews-gary-marcus.html 14:02:37 From Ole P??tz to Everyone: Gary Marcus 14:02:39 From Lucien TISSERAND to Everyone: thanks 14:03:23 From Silke Reineke to Everyone: Is this the Right link? https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/06/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-gary-marcus.html 14:03:46 From Mathias Broth (LiU) to Everyone: I also need to run, thank you all and have a fine w-e! 14:03:52 From Saul Albert to Everyone: Hannah - can we share the website so people can subscribe to the list etc? 14:04:01 From Hannah Pelikan (LiU) to Everyone: Yes 14:04:32 From Saul Albert to Everyone: Thanks to Hannah for setting this up: https://emcai.conversationanalysis.org/ 14:04:41 From Wyke Stommel to Everyone: Maybe this is the podcast? https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-skeptical-take-on-the-a-i-revolution/id1548604447?i=1000592835492 14:05:28 From Antonia Lina Krummheuer to Everyone: do I need to register again on the new web site? 14:05:49 From Saul Albert to Everyone: If you???re not on the mailing list??? if you did get the invitation, you are on the list. But I know a few people didn???t get transferred over for some reason. 14:06:16 From Saul Albert to Everyone: And feel free to share the link with whomever you think might be interested ???? 14:06:50 From Antonia Lina Krummheuer to Everyone: I might have some data on pepper, I need to check the dates and write to you :) 14:07:11 From Hannah Pelikan (LiU) to Everyone: Great, that would be lovely Antonia! 14:07:31 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone: I could also present data 14:07:49 From Antonia Lina Krummheuer to Everyone: I need to go looking forward seeing you again ???? have a nice weekend 14:08:27 From Ali Reza Majlesi (SU) to Everyone: Me too! Thanks a lot for organizing the meeting! Hope to see you guys soon! 14:08:57 From Andreas Liesenfeld to Everyone: Me too. Thank you all for the discussion, comments, and help with the paper ???? 14:09:54 From Lucien TISSERAND to Everyone: EMCA vs "CA as a tool" 14:09:56 From Lucien TISSERAND to Everyone: i mean 14:10:03 From Nicolas Rollet to Everyone: Congratulations on this meeting initiative! I could possibly present you problems related to the integration of EM_CA concepts in machine learning modelling in the work of PhD students. 14:10:35 From Nicolas Rollet to Everyone: Looking forward to seeing you (with my cam on this time..) 14:10:40 From Hannah Pelikan (LiU) to Everyone: That would be interesting as a discussion session perhaps Nicolas? 14:10:53 From Nicolas Rollet to Everyone: Yes could be 14:12:24 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone: Also the picture of AI in popular culture 14:13:45 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone: "The work to make AI work" 14:14:47 From Damien Rudaz to Everyone: "Human-human-robot interaction" 14:22:48 From Lucien TISSERAND to Everyone: Thank you for sharing your experience with that Wyke 14:27:49 From Saul Albert to Everyone: Brilliantly facilitated Lynn ???? 14:28:40 From Saul Albert to Everyone: The some/any study was the outcome of over a decade of working with medical professionals, publishing with them, learning the language etc??? I guess that???s still in progress here. 14:30:02 From Hannah Pelikan (LiU) to Everyone: The famous implications for design ???? 14:30:41 From J.P. de Ruiter to Everyone: Got to go. Good to see everyone! 14:30:46 From Lynn de Rijk (they/them) to Everyone: Thanks for being here! 14:30:51 From Saul Albert to Everyone: Great tp see you JP! 14:30:57 From Lucien TISSERAND to Everyone: Thank you all ! 14:31:17 From Damien Rudaz to Everyone: Thank you!! 14:31:27 From Wyke Stommel to Everyone: I'll stay around for a minute 14:31:32 From Wyke Stommel to Everyone: you Lynn? 14:31:33 From Damien Rudaz to Everyone: Great pilot episode 14:31:40 From Damien Rudaz to Everyone: for this new season 14:31:46 From Saul Albert to Everyone: ???? 14:33:06 From Hannah Pelikan (LiU) to Everyone: https://emcai.conversationanalysis.org From S.B.Albert at lboro.ac.uk Sat Feb 4 04:09:28 2023 From: S.B.Albert at lboro.ac.uk (Saul Albert) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2023 11:09:28 +0000 Subject: [emcai] EMCA/AI Network Meeting Message-ID: Dear EMCAI network members, Thanks for a great start of this year?s meetings last Friday, with 17 people present! Please feel free to add to the meeting minutes and find the Zoom chat attached. We also welcome you to add or update your presentation slide if you haven?t done so yet. Our next meeting will take place on February 24th at: - BST (London): 12:00 - CET (Berlin, Stockholm, Paris): 13:00 - EDT (Boston, New York): 07:00 - Hong Kong: 19:00 Zoom link: https://liu-se.zoom.us/j/69884330110 This will be a data session, please message us if you would like to present data! If you know others who might be interested in joining the discussions, please share information about the network here! You can also use this link to join the #artificial-agents channel on the EMCA-Researchers Slack server. Have a great weekend and hope to see you at the end of the month! 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Vero has been conceived for research purposes and exists in various forms, including as a screen agent on the Zoom videoconferencing platform. In this format Vero is not acting autonomously but is (secretly) controlled by an experimenter (Schecter et al., 2022) following the Wizard-of-Oz paradigm (Porcheron et al., 2021). After familiarizing ourselves with the complex setup, we will look at a case in which Vero remains notably quiet, providing an opportunity to explore post hoc, after the interaction, how the agent could have minimally contributed through sound. Expanding the format of a traditional data session, I would like to explore how we can practically transition from documenting what is to discussing what could be, moving from analysis (and critique of AI) towards interaction design (Button & Dourish, 1996; Crabtree, 2004). Closer to the data session we will share transcripts if relevant. If you know others who might be interested in joining the discussions, please share information about the network here! Also, if you would like to host a data session in the future, please don?t hesitate to send us an email (hannah.pelikan at liu.se or lynn.derijk at ru.nl) Have a great weekend and hope to see you next week! Hannah Pelikan, Lynn de Rijk, and Saul Albert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: