[emcai] EMCA/AI network in 2023
Hannah Pelikan
hannah.pelikan at liu.se
Fri Feb 3 08:36:58 MST 2023
Dear EMCAI network members,
Thanks for a great start of this year’s meetings last Friday, with 17 people present! Please feel free to add to the meeting minutes<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AxPyoyPLhYFLsdqR-DI_lLimpJf6dKiYIHDcJPe4pqw/edit?usp=sharing> and find the Zoom chat attached. We also welcome you to add or update your presentation slide<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2Feur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2Feur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com*2F*3Furl*3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2Fdocs.google.com*2Fpresentation*2Fd*2F1GeCKrN_-uQE5BE5qziiMeMSCH6RxOK-tUbZIqw96WjA*2Fedit__*3B!!HJOPV4FYYWzcc1jazlU!69VylCA7VFE_GQFSVMF3u6vWVr9zmSJpydc3x1_el9p6etrIhDntwoXjBQuwHxQaBe4YrRfnH0lpnfNMQXIgBUr4lg*24*26data*3D05*7C01*7Channah.pelikan*40liu.se*7C65232fda06f948084b9908dadf790150*7C913f18ec7f264c5fa816784fe9a58edd*7C0*7C0*7C638068008063424517*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C*26sdata*3DjjtC77eYTG0f1etlQ*2FtYnWiujYJo2rRWoKUBn5s6Ibo*3D*26reserved*3D0__*3BJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!HJOPV4FYYWzcc1jazlU!8vfgDbIoSoa2q9cIDO6mU2vaqDHKCShPZNKEuP29g1zro1EB3KD-GvNVL_DD37psBkc8Ug6kytAxaW_It8ah1k-Gcw*24%26data%3D05*7C01*7Channah.pelikan*40liu.se*7Cea28a70b563941e1a5ab08dae1a20e92*7C913f18ec7f264c5fa816784fe9a58edd*7C0*7C0*7C638070383399777283*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C%26sdata%3DEjakGH9mFgayyVua1NaAspHHS3fW0R4r1LFHNopHwAc*3D%26reserved%3D0__%3BJSUlJSUlJSUlJSoqKioqKioqKioqKiolJSoqKioqKioqKioqKioqKiUlKiolJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!HJOPV4FYYWzcc1jazlU!9CfYE1rlmHTpv-QV9p4VvkVv8ztzPlUR0mVVNefrqgo9jrQINFya5gvsU1IvQmWnlMVJ3xZ92cM6Edl8Qy8k1SBnBA%24&data=05%7C01%7Channah.pelikan%40liu.se%7C6160f6261add4539e27308dae291edb4%7C913f18ec7f264c5fa816784fe9a58edd%7C0%7C0%7C638071414986670035%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=TN3Hi1Ku8GOOMm%2FFKpy09l02vTQOgGOyjYkLkz0N7WE%3D&reserved=0> if you haven’t done so yet.
Our next meeting will take place on February 24th at:
- BST (London): 12:00am
- CET (Berlin, Stockholm, Paris): 1:00 pm
- EDT (Boston, New York): 7:00am
- Hong Kong: 7:00pm
Zoom link: https://liu-se.zoom.us/j/69884330110<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2Feur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2Feur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com*2F*3Furl*3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2Fliu-se.zoom.us*2Fj*2F69884330110__*3B!!HJOPV4FYYWzcc1jazlU!69VylCA7VFE_GQFSVMF3u6vWVr9zmSJpydc3x1_el9p6etrIhDntwoXjBQuwHxQaBe4YrRfnH0lpnfNMQXJtQ9btfQ*24*26data*3D05*7C01*7Channah.pelikan*40liu.se*7C65232fda06f948084b9908dadf790150*7C913f18ec7f264c5fa816784fe9a58edd*7C0*7C0*7C638068008062956315*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C*26sdata*3Df8DZu*2FaXwjmP6AqkdmNhzD9sA7M43GFpYMvT26xhpH8*3D*26reserved*3D0__*3BJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!HJOPV4FYYWzcc1jazlU!8vfgDbIoSoa2q9cIDO6mU2vaqDHKCShPZNKEuP29g1zro1EB3KD-GvNVL_DD37psBkc8Ug6kytAxaW_It8aLVp9YwQ*24%26data%3D05*7C01*7Channah.pelikan*40liu.se*7Cea28a70b563941e1a5ab08dae1a20e92*7C913f18ec7f264c5fa816784fe9a58edd*7C0*7C0*7C638070383399777283*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C%26sdata%3DWPMPMc*2F92a7iqUWcDVPDV1rIiLtsYK9hvZZ9VIVTwFk*3D%26reserved%3D0__%3BJSUlJSUlJSUlJSoqKioqKioqKioqJSUqKioqKioqKioqKioqKiolJSoqJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!HJOPV4FYYWzcc1jazlU!9CfYE1rlmHTpv-QV9p4VvkVv8ztzPlUR0mVVNefrqgo9jrQINFya5gvsU1IvQmWnlMVJ3xZ92cM6Edl8Qy9rjE-Nzg%24&data=05%7C01%7Channah.pelikan%40liu.se%7C6160f6261add4539e27308dae291edb4%7C913f18ec7f264c5fa816784fe9a58edd%7C0%7C0%7C638071414986670035%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=P4fN4%2F5SyrLYufOxaL7ICyllWe0Vf5T6AFCwFSc3KXI%3D&reserved=0>
This will be a data session, please message us if you would like to present data!
If you know others who might be interested in joining the discussions, please share information about the network here<https://emcai.conversationanalysis.org/>!
Have a great weekend and hope to see you at the end of the month!
Hannah Pelikan, Lynn de Rijk, and Saul Albert
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13:00:56 From Hannah Pelikan (LiU) to Everyone:
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1GeCKrN_-uQE5BE5qziiMeMSCH6RxOK-tUbZIqw96WjA/edit#slide=id.p
13:03:43 From Saul Albert to Everyone:
Previously we had a shortcut for this section of the meeting - but probably good to invite everyone to fill in a slide here if you haven’t got one yet 🙂 https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1GeCKrN_-uQE5BE5qziiMeMSCH6RxOK-tUbZIqw96WjA/edit
13:11:28 From Saul Albert to Everyone:
Zoom introductions pelmanism. Gets harder the longer you play!
13:11:57 From Saul Albert to Everyone:
Still to be introduced: Ole, Wyke, Andreas,
13:12:14 From Saul Albert to Everyone:
Antonia? Did I miss yours?
13:12:31 From Antonia Lina Krummheuer to Everyone:
Iwas second :)
13:12:36 From Saul Albert to Everyone:
🙂
13:14:16 From Lucien TISSERAND to Everyone:
partly 🙃
13:20:04 From Antonia Lina Krummheuer to Everyone:
could you give the reference /doi again?
13:20:44 From Hannah Pelikan (LiU) to Everyone:
This is work in progress, sorry for missing to announce this
13:21:37 From Antonia Lina Krummheuer to Everyone:
thanks for sharing !
13:21:49 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone:
Yes, not published yet, first draft so far :)
13:21:53 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone:
Reacted to "thanks for sharing !" with ðŸ‘
13:23:30 From Andreas Liesenfeld to Everyone:
Everyone: Please feel free to recommend any journals/venues that would be a good fit for this work! :)
13:24:39 From Antonia Lina Krummheuer to Everyone:
ROLSI?
13:25:20 From Nicolas Rollet to Everyone:
Interaction Studies (Dautenhahn) ?
13:25:42 From Antonia Lina Krummheuer to Everyone:
AI and Society???
13:26:08 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone:
Replying to "AI and Society???"
That is our current plan
13:26:09 From Saul Albert to Everyone:
@Antonia: thanks! That was actually our intended target so far...
13:26:22 From Saul Albert to Everyone:
Replying to "AI and Society???"
🙂
13:26:37 From Antonia Lina Krummheuer to Everyone:
Reacted to "@Antonia: thanks! Th..." with ðŸ‘
13:28:12 From Saul Albert to Everyone:
Great presentation Lynn thanks 🙂
13:28:36 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone:
Yes, many thanks Lynn :)
13:28:55 From Andreas Liesenfeld to Everyone:
Great presentation! Thank you Lynn 🙂
13:29:34 From Hannah Pelikan (LiU) to Lynn de Rijk (they/them)(Direct Message):
Don’t worry I can take notes
13:30:06 From Hannah Pelikan (LiU) to Lynn de Rijk (they/them)(Direct Message):
(Like general notes, you might of course want to take specific ones for the paper revision)
13:31:47 From Hannah Pelikan (LiU) to Everyone:
Did you count Suchman 1987 and 2007 as one?
13:39:23 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone:
Replying to "Did you count Suchma..."
Great point. Indeed, we counted it as two. If we would combine 1987 and 2007 it would be first cited resource :)
13:39:56 From Andreas Liesenfeld to Everyone:
Replying to "Did you count Suchma..."
Ha great catch!
13:40:16 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone:
Replying to "Did you count Suchma..."
I think we mentioned it in the Copenhagen Paper but didn't include it in this draft
13:40:21 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone:
Replying to "Did you count Suchma..."
Many thanks Hannah!
13:40:24 From Hannah Pelikan (LiU) to Everyone:
Replying to "Did you count Suchma..."
Ah, nice I think that may be good to mention in the paper
13:41:30 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone:
The citation counts, first 10:
SSJ 1974 - 33
Garfinkel 1967 - 29
Suchman 1987 - 22
Suchman 2007 - 22
Schegloff 2007 - 21
Sacks 1992 - 18
Sidnell and Stivers 2012 - 13
Jefferson 2004 - 11
Schegloff 1977 - 11
Porcheron et al. 2018 - 10
13:44:59 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone:
Schegloff 1977 = Schegloff, Jefferson and Sacks on repair
13:46:24 From Hannah Pelikan (LiU) to Everyone:
Yamazaki sociological interaction analysis at HRI and CHI
13:47:02 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone:
So far we included only work published by Japanese researchers in English
13:47:29 From Nicolas Rollet to Everyone:
Fumihide Tanaka
13:48:37 From Saul Albert to Everyone:
Nishisawa Hiro Yuki https://researchmap.jp/read0127768?lang=en
13:52:52 From Antonia Lina Krummheuer to Everyone:
This is the program of a HRI workshop I organised last years with a lot of Japanese working with CA (or close to) 🙂. Not sure they publish in English.
13:53:17 From Andreas Liesenfeld to Everyone:
Great ! Thank you for sharing
13:53:41 From Saul Albert to Everyone:
Empirical focus was the decision yes...
13:55:46 From Mathias Broth (LiU) to Everyone:
So maybe this could be made explicit in the title?
13:56:00 From Saul Albert to Everyone:
Good point Mathias.
13:56:02 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone:
Replying to "So maybe this could ..."
Good point, thanks!
13:56:04 From Hannah Pelikan (LiU) to Lynn de Rijk (they/them)(Direct Message):
Did we set a fixed time? Do we end at 2, 2.30 or 3?
13:57:08 From Saul Albert to Everyone:
Perhaps there needs to be a different paper focusing also on theoretical approaches, then yet another for applied approaches within language & speech technology.
13:57:55 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone:
Replying to "Perhaps there needs ..."
That's what seems to be the case to me...
13:58:04 From Wyke Stommel to Everyone:
Maybe we can add a bit more of the conceptual contribution to the introduction
13:58:17 From Stuart Reeves to Everyone:
WHO IS HENRY VIII????
13:58:21 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone:
Reacted to "Maybe we can add a b..." with ðŸ‘
13:58:40 From Stuart Reeves to Everyone:
(or rather who will be our Henry VIII?)
13:59:38 From J.P. de Ruiter to Everyone:
“When p-values fail, we resort to EMCAâ€
13:59:53 From Saul Albert to Everyone:
â¤ï¸
13:59:59 From Nicolas Rollet to Everyone:
Aside point, going along Damien’s remark : I think doing an analysis of how some PHD students in Social Computing, machine learning, actually integrate (or try to) EM_CA concepts such as pre-closing, how they struggle regarding modelization, might enhance the EM/CA view about the thickness, multi-layered aspect of social action.
14:00:00 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone:
Reacted to "“When p-values fail,..." with ðŸ‘
14:01:11 From Wyke Stommel to Everyone:
In line of Damien's point: maybe we can add an overview/table of in which discipline (journals) the texts appeared
14:01:23 From Stuart Reeves to Everyone:
gotta run to another meeting, sorry - thanks for the meeting!
14:02:10 From Nicolas Rollet to Everyone:
Reacted to "“When p-values fail,..." with ðŸ‘
14:02:27 From Lucien TISSERAND to Everyone:
who was interviewed ?
14:02:34 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone:
Probably this - thanks JP.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/06/podcasts/transcript-ezra-klein-interviews-gary-marcus.html
14:02:37 From Ole Pütz to Everyone:
Gary Marcus
14:02:39 From Lucien TISSERAND to Everyone:
thanks
14:03:23 From Silke Reineke to Everyone:
Is this the Right link? https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/06/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-gary-marcus.html
14:03:46 From Mathias Broth (LiU) to Everyone:
I also need to run, thank you all and have a fine w-e!
14:03:52 From Saul Albert to Everyone:
Hannah - can we share the website so people can subscribe to the list etc?
14:04:01 From Hannah Pelikan (LiU) to Everyone:
Yes
14:04:32 From Saul Albert to Everyone:
Thanks to Hannah for setting this up: https://emcai.conversationanalysis.org/
14:04:41 From Wyke Stommel to Everyone:
Maybe this is the podcast? https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-skeptical-take-on-the-a-i-revolution/id1548604447?i=1000592835492
14:05:28 From Antonia Lina Krummheuer to Everyone:
do I need to register again on the new web site?
14:05:49 From Saul Albert to Everyone:
If you’re not on the mailing list… if you did get the invitation, you are on the list. But I know a few people didn’t get transferred over for some reason.
14:06:16 From Saul Albert to Everyone:
And feel free to share the link with whomever you think might be interested 🙂
14:06:50 From Antonia Lina Krummheuer to Everyone:
I might have some data on pepper, I need to check the dates and write to you :)
14:07:11 From Hannah Pelikan (LiU) to Everyone:
Great, that would be lovely Antonia!
14:07:31 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone:
I could also present data
14:07:49 From Antonia Lina Krummheuer to Everyone:
I need to go looking forward seeing you again 🙂 have a nice weekend
14:08:27 From Ali Reza Majlesi (SU) to Everyone:
Me too! Thanks a lot for organizing the meeting! Hope to see you guys soon!
14:08:57 From Andreas Liesenfeld to Everyone:
Me too. Thank you all for the discussion, comments, and help with the paper ðŸ™
14:09:54 From Lucien TISSERAND to Everyone:
EMCA vs "CA as a tool"
14:09:56 From Lucien TISSERAND to Everyone:
i mean
14:10:03 From Nicolas Rollet to Everyone:
Congratulations on this meeting initiative! I could possibly present you problems related to the integration of EM_CA concepts in machine learning modelling in the work of PhD students.
14:10:35 From Nicolas Rollet to Everyone:
Looking forward to seeing you (with my cam on this time..)
14:10:40 From Hannah Pelikan (LiU) to Everyone:
That would be interesting as a discussion session perhaps Nicolas?
14:10:53 From Nicolas Rollet to Everyone:
Yes could be
14:12:24 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone:
Also the picture of AI in popular culture
14:13:45 From Jakub Mlynar to Everyone:
"The work to make AI work"
14:14:47 From Damien Rudaz to Everyone:
"Human-human-robot interaction"
14:22:48 From Lucien TISSERAND to Everyone:
Thank you for sharing your experience with that Wyke
14:27:49 From Saul Albert to Everyone:
Brilliantly facilitated Lynn 🙂
14:28:40 From Saul Albert to Everyone:
The some/any study was the outcome of over a decade of working with medical professionals, publishing with them, learning the language etc… I guess that’s still in progress here.
14:30:02 From Hannah Pelikan (LiU) to Everyone:
The famous implications for design 😄
14:30:41 From J.P. de Ruiter to Everyone:
Got to go. Good to see everyone!
14:30:46 From Lynn de Rijk (they/them) to Everyone:
Thanks for being here!
14:30:51 From Saul Albert to Everyone:
Great tp see you JP!
14:30:57 From Lucien TISSERAND to Everyone:
Thank you all !
14:31:17 From Damien Rudaz to Everyone:
Thank you!!
14:31:27 From Wyke Stommel to Everyone:
I'll stay around for a minute
14:31:32 From Wyke Stommel to Everyone:
you Lynn?
14:31:33 From Damien Rudaz to Everyone:
Great pilot episode
14:31:40 From Damien Rudaz to Everyone:
for this new season
14:31:46 From Saul Albert to Everyone:
🙂
14:33:06 From Hannah Pelikan (LiU) to Everyone:
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