From r.k.moore at sheffield.ac.uk  Wed Oct  2 09:54:41 2024
From: r.k.moore at sheffield.ac.uk (Roger K Moore)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2024 16:54:41 +0100
Subject: [emcai] Podcasts generated using Google's NotebookLM
Message-ID: <CABo9s0=YzJDFge6T726RqtoXtb8ScjuskWZJiNVmChMFmtw5bw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

In case you are not aware, the latest AI development from Google provides
the ability to generate a podcast-style conversation between two
'individuals' *automatically* from an uploaded document (e.g. a scientific
paper)?  The results are astounding, both in terms of the speech and the
dialogue.

Here are two examples I generated based on ...

   - my recent VIHAR-24 paper on "What Needs to be Known in Order to
   Perform a Meaningful Scientific Comparison Between Animal Communications
   and Human Spoken Language
   <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1n5ap5v2hu_ERl2mwewYNP_WzfQSwpw0T/view?usp=share_link>",
   and
   - the famous "Chicken Chicken Chicken
   <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TbrynC1VtJFMbIteWJEj1DAHURCcxDWr/view?usp=share_link>"
   paper by Doug Zongker.

I wonder how these AI-generated interactions stack-up from a CA perspective?

Best wishes
Roger

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Prof ROGER K MOORE* BA(Hons) MSc PhD FIOA FISCA MIET SMIEEE

Deputy Head of School
Chair of Spoken Language Processing
Head of Speech & Hearing Research Group (SpandH)
Vocal Interactivity Lab (VILab), Sheffield Robotics
School of Computer Science, UNIVERSITY OF SHEFFIELD
Regent Court, 211 Portobello, Sheffield, S1 4DP, UK

* Winner of the 2016 Antonio Zampolli Prize for "*Outstanding
Contributions *
*to the Advancement of Language Resources & Language Technology *
*Evaluation within Human Language Technologies*"

e-mail:  r.k.moore at sheffield.ac.uk
web: http://staffwww.dcs.shef.ac.uk/people/R.K.Moore/
twitter: @rogerkmoore
Tel: +44 (0) 11422 21807
Fax: +44 (0) 11422 21810
Mob: +44 (0) 7910 073631

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From M.Hamann at lboro.ac.uk  Wed Oct  2 10:51:42 2024
From: M.Hamann at lboro.ac.uk (Magnus Hamann)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2024 16:51:42 +0000
Subject: [emcai] Podcasts generated using Google's NotebookLM
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Message-ID: <DU2PR04MB91303BC276707425EE770587DC702@DU2PR04MB9130.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Just a first noticing:
There is definitely something with the sequential distribution of "continuers" that is a little off.
That said, this is definitely an interesting tool (thinking about students with dyslexia here).



Kind regards,
Magnus Hamann

Informal office hour every Monday, Tuesday (both online), or Thursday (in my office) 11-12
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From: emcai <emcai-bounces at conversationanalysis.org> on behalf of Roger K Moore via emcai <emcai at conversationanalysis.org>
Sent: 02 October 2024 16:54
To: emcai at conversationanalysis.org <emcai at conversationanalysis.org>
Subject: [emcai] Podcasts generated using Google's NotebookLM


** THIS MESSAGE ORIGINATED OUTSIDE LOUGHBOROUGH UNIVERSITY **

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Hi All,

In case you are not aware, the latest AI development from Google provides the ability to generate a podcast-style conversation between two 'individuals' automatically from an uploaded document (e.g. a scientific paper)?  The results are astounding, both in terms of the speech and the dialogue.

Here are two examples I generated based on ...

  *   my recent VIHAR-24 paper on "What Needs to be Known in Order to Perform a Meaningful Scientific Comparison Between Animal Communications and Human Spoken Language<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1n5ap5v2hu_ERl2mwewYNP_WzfQSwpw0T/view?usp=share_link>", and
  *   the famous "Chicken Chicken Chicken<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TbrynC1VtJFMbIteWJEj1DAHURCcxDWr/view?usp=share_link>" paper by Doug Zongker.

I wonder how these AI-generated interactions stack-up from a CA perspective?

Best wishes
Roger

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Prof ROGER K MOORE* BA(Hons) MSc PhD FIOA FISCA MIET SMIEEE

Deputy Head of School
Chair of Spoken Language Processing
Head of Speech & Hearing Research Group (SpandH)
Vocal Interactivity Lab (VILab), Sheffield Robotics
School of Computer Science, UNIVERSITY OF SHEFFIELD
Regent Court, 211 Portobello, Sheffield, S1 4DP, UK

* Winner of the 2016 Antonio Zampolli Prize for "Outstanding Contributions
to the Advancement of Language Resources & Language Technology
Evaluation within Human Language Technologies"

e-mail:  r.k.moore at sheffield.ac.uk<mailto:r.k.moore at sheffield.ac.uk>
web: http://staffwww.dcs.shef.ac.uk/people/R.K.Moore/
twitter: @rogerkmoore
Tel: +44 (0) 11422 21807
Fax: +44 (0) 11422 21810
Mob: +44 (0) 7910 073631

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From kuettner at ids-mannheim.de  Wed Oct  2 10:59:11 2024
From: kuettner at ids-mannheim.de (=?UTF-8?Q?K=C3=BCttner?=)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2024 18:59:11 +0200
Subject: [emcai] Podcasts generated using Google's NotebookLM
In-Reply-To: <DU2PR04MB91303BC276707425EE770587DC702@DU2PR04MB9130.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CABo9s0=YzJDFge6T726RqtoXtb8ScjuskWZJiNVmChMFmtw5bw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DU2PR04MB91303BC276707425EE770587DC702@DU2PR04MB9130.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <2ff758c9-94c4-4d09-8cc0-48f2f2ccfa1e@ids-mannheim.de>

I also immediately noticed the massive overuse of continuers, 
acknowledgments and other response tokens. But I will say, I just tried 
this thing with one of our papers, and it worked very smoothly there, 
generating quite a realistic experience. The "podcast" really captures 
the majority of the contents of the paper accurately and even offers 
comprehensible summary descriptions of what happens in the data 
fragments :-O


Quite fascinating, I must say! Thanks for sharing this, Roger.

Best,
Uwe



Am 02.10.2024 um 18:51 schrieb Magnus Hamann via emcai:
> Just a first noticing:
> There is definitely something with the sequential distribution of 
> "continuers" that is a little off.
> That said, this is definitely an interesting tool (thinking about 
> students with dyslexia here).
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
> Magnus Hamann
>
> Informal office hour every Monday, Tuesday (both online), or Thursday 
> (in my office) 11-12
> <https://outlook.office.com/bookwithme/user/9ef25e7555dc4356be45a418d6ad77a5 at lboro.ac.uk?anonymous&ep=bwmEmailSignature> 
> 	
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> 	
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* emcai <emcai-bounces at conversationanalysis.org> on behalf of 
> Roger K Moore via emcai <emcai at conversationanalysis.org>
> *Sent:* 02 October 2024 16:54
> *To:* emcai at conversationanalysis.org <emcai at conversationanalysis.org>
> *Subject:* [emcai] Podcasts generated using Google's NotebookLM
>
> ** THIS MESSAGE ORIGINATED OUTSIDE LOUGHBOROUGH UNIVERSITY **
>
> ** Be wary of links or attachments, especially if the email is 
> unsolicited or you don't recognise the sender's email address. **
>
> Hi All,
>
> In case you are not aware, the latest AI development from Google 
> provides the ability to generate a podcast-style conversation between 
> two 'individuals' _automatically_ from an uploaded document (e.g. a 
> scientific paper)?? The results are astounding, both in terms of the 
> speech and the dialogue.
>
> Here are two examples I generated based on ...
>
>   * my recent VIHAR-24 paper on "What Needs to be Known in Order to
>     Perform a Meaningful Scientific Comparison Between Animal
>     Communications and Human Spoken Language
>     <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1n5ap5v2hu_ERl2mwewYNP_WzfQSwpw0T/view?usp=share_link>",
>     and
>   * the famous "Chicken Chicken?Chicken
>     <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TbrynC1VtJFMbIteWJEj1DAHURCcxDWr/view?usp=share_link>"
>     paper by?Doug Zongker.
>
> I wonder how these AI-generated interactions stack-up from a CA 
> perspective?
>
> Best wishes
> Roger
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Prof ROGER K MOORE* BA(Hons) MSc PhD FIOA FISCA MIET SMIEEE
>
> Deputy Head of School
> Chair of Spoken Language Processing
> Head of Speech & Hearing Research Group (SpandH)
> Vocal Interactivity Lab (VILab), Sheffield Robotics
> School of Computer Science, UNIVERSITY OF SHEFFIELD
> Regent Court, 211 Portobello, Sheffield, S1 4DP, UK
>
> * Winner of?the 2016 Antonio Zampolli Prize for "/Outstanding 
> Contributions /
> /to the Advancement of Language Resources & Language Technology /
> /Evaluation within Human Language Technologies/"
>
> e-mail: r.k.moore at sheffield.ac.uk
> web: http://staffwww.dcs.shef.ac.uk/people/R.K.Moore/
> twitter: @rogerkmoore
> Tel: +44 (0) 11422 21807
> Fax: +44 (0) 11422 21810
> Mob: +44 (0) 7910 073631
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From nicolas.rollet at telecom-paris.fr  Thu Oct  3 03:46:56 2024
From: nicolas.rollet at telecom-paris.fr (Nicolas Rollet)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 11:46:56 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [emcai] Podcasts generated using Google's NotebookLM
In-Reply-To: <2ff758c9-94c4-4d09-8cc0-48f2f2ccfa1e@ids-mannheim.de>
References: <CABo9s0=YzJDFge6T726RqtoXtb8ScjuskWZJiNVmChMFmtw5bw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DU2PR04MB91303BC276707425EE770587DC702@DU2PR04MB9130.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
 <2ff758c9-94c4-4d09-8cc0-48f2f2ccfa1e@ids-mannheim.de>
Message-ID: <1867106581.12296357.1727948816119.JavaMail.zimbra@enst.fr>

Hi, 

pauses are over-marked too, as if it's based on the fact that pauses is the key-trigger for continuers, with remind me of a very basic definition of turn in computer science, no ? 

Best wishes 

Nicolas Rollet 
T?l?com Paris 
[ https://www.telecom-paris.fr/fr/lecole/departements-enseignement-recherche/sciences-economiques-sociales | Department of?Economics?and Social Sciences ] 
INTERACT 
Institut polytechnique de Paris 
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[ http://i3.cnrs.fr/ | Site i3 ] 
[ https://encyclopediedelaparole.org/ | Encyclop?die de la parole? ] 
(+33)6 88 75 86 28 
bureau 3A259 


De: "L.E.M. de Rijk, (Lynn) via emcai" <emcai at conversationanalysis.org> 
?: "L.E.M. de Rijk, (Lynn) via emcai" <emcai at conversationanalysis.org> 
Envoy?: Mercredi 2 Octobre 2024 18:59:11 
Objet: Re: [emcai] Podcasts generated using Google's NotebookLM 



I also immediately noticed the massive overuse of continuers, acknowledgments and other response tokens. But I will say, I just tried this thing with one of our papers, and it worked very smoothly there, generating quite a realistic experience. The "podcast" really captures the majority of the contents of the paper accurately and even offers comprehensible summary descriptions of what happens in the data fragments :-O 



Quite fascinating, I must say! Thanks for sharing this, Roger. 

Best, 
Uwe 






Am 02.10.2024 um 18:51 schrieb Magnus Hamann via emcai: 



Just a first noticing: 
There is definitely something with the sequential distribution of "continuers" that is a little off. 
That said, this is definitely an interesting tool (thinking about students with dyslexia here). 



Kind regards, 
Magnus Hamann 

Informal office hour every Monday, Tuesday (both online), or Thursday (in my office) 11-12 

	[ https://outlook.office.com/bookwithme/user/9ef25e7555dc4356be45a418d6ad77a5 at lboro.ac.uk?anonymous&ep=bwmEmailSignature ] 	
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Sent: 02 October 2024 16:54 
To: [ mailto:emcai at conversationanalysis.org | emcai at conversationanalysis.org ] [ mailto:emcai at conversationanalysis.org | <emcai at conversationanalysis.org> ] 
Subject: [emcai] Podcasts generated using Google's NotebookLM 


** THIS MESSAGE ORIGINATED OUTSIDE LOUGHBOROUGH UNIVERSITY ** 

** Be wary of links or attachments, especially if the email is unsolicited or you don't recognise the sender's email address. ** 
Hi All, 

In case you are not aware, the latest AI development from Google provides the ability to generate a podcast-style conversation between two 'individuals' automatically from an uploaded document (e.g. a scientific paper)? The results are astounding, both in terms of the speech and the dialogue. 

Here are two examples I generated based on ... 


    * my recent VIHAR-24 paper on " [ https://drive.google.com/file/d/1n5ap5v2hu_ERl2mwewYNP_WzfQSwpw0T/view?usp=share_link | What Needs to be Known in
                    Order to Perform a Meaningful Scientific Comparison
                    Between Animal Communications and Human Spoken
                    Language ] ", and 
    * the famous " [ https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TbrynC1VtJFMbIteWJEj1DAHURCcxDWr/view?usp=share_link | Chicken Chicken?Chicken ] " paper by Doug Zongker. 
I wonder how these AI-generated interactions stack-up from a CA perspective? 

Best wishes 
Roger 

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
Prof ROGER K MOORE* BA(Hons) MSc PhD FIOA FISCA MIET SMIEEE 

Deputy Head of School 
Chair of Spoken Language Processing 
Head of Speech & Hearing Research Group (SpandH) 
Vocal Interactivity Lab (VILab), Sheffield Robotics 
School of Computer Science, UNIVERSITY OF SHEFFIELD 
Regent Court, 211 Portobello, Sheffield, S1 4DP, UK 

* Winner of the 2016 Antonio Zampolli Prize for " Outstanding Contributions 
to the Advancement of Language Resources & Language Technology 
Evaluation within Human Language Technologies " 

e-mail: [ mailto:r.k.moore at sheffield.ac.uk | r.k.moore at sheffield.ac.uk ] 
web: [ http://staffwww.dcs.shef.ac.uk/people/R.K.Moore/ | http://staffwww.dcs.shef.ac.uk/people/R.K.Moore/ ] 
twitter: @rogerkmoore 
Tel: +44 (0) 11422 21807 
Fax: +44 (0) 11422 21810 
Mob: +44 (0) 7910 073631 

Editor-in-Chief: COMPUTER SPEECH AND LANGUAGE 
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From hbuschme at uni-bielefeld.de  Thu Oct  3 06:16:14 2024
From: hbuschme at uni-bielefeld.de (Hendrik Buschmeier)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 14:16:14 +0200
Subject: [emcai] Podcasts generated using Google's NotebookLM
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References: <CABo9s0=YzJDFge6T726RqtoXtb8ScjuskWZJiNVmChMFmtw5bw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Roger,

No real analysis, just an impression ? seconding also Magnus analysis:

The ?hosts? communicative feedback is off and makes it unclear who knows what. In their listener behavior they produce newsmakers, as if what the other says is unknown to them, but then, in the next turn, they just take over and seemingly have all the information, and suddenly the other seems clueless. I think the model is missing that the two speakers are  independent entities with asymmetric knowledge. To me this shows how important representations of the self and the other are, even when just producing something that ?just generates? output and is not interactive.

More generally I question the merit of such applications. There are more than enough podcasts. Some people mentioned that the thing is prone to halucination as well.

From a scientific network perspective, we could think about an in depth analysis of one of these "dialogues" looking at various conversational phenomena that are produced.

Cheers

Hendrik



> On 3. Oct 2024, at 11:46, Nicolas Rollet via emcai <emcai at conversationanalysis.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> pauses are over-marked too, as if it's based on the fact that pauses is the key-trigger for continuers, with remind me of a very basic definition of turn in computer science, no ?
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Nicolas Rollet
> T?l?com Paris
> Department of Economics and Social Sciences
> INTERACT
> Institut polytechnique de Paris
> I3 UMR 9217 ? CNRS 
> Site i3
> Encyclop?die de la parole 
> (+33)6 88 75 86 28
> bureau 3A259
> 
> De: "L.E.M. de Rijk, (Lynn) via emcai" <emcai at conversationanalysis.org>
> ?: "L.E.M. de Rijk, (Lynn) via emcai" <emcai at conversationanalysis.org>
> Envoy?: Mercredi 2 Octobre 2024 18:59:11
> Objet: Re: [emcai] Podcasts generated using Google's NotebookLM
> 
> I also immediately noticed the massive overuse of continuers, acknowledgments and other response tokens. But I will say, I just tried this thing with one of our papers, and it worked very smoothly there, generating quite a realistic experience. The "podcast" really captures the majority of the contents of the paper accurately and even offers comprehensible summary descriptions of what happens in the data fragments :-O 
> 
> Quite fascinating, I must say! Thanks for sharing this, Roger.
> Best,
> Uwe
> 
> 
> Am 02.10.2024 um 18:51 schrieb Magnus Hamann via emcai:
> Just a first noticing:
> There is definitely something with the sequential distribution of "continuers" that is a little off.
> That said, this is definitely an interesting tool (thinking about students with dyslexia here).
> 
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> Magnus Hamann
> 
> Informal office hour every Monday, Tuesday (both online), or Thursday (in my office) 11-12<Outlook-ypjhe4zs.png>
> 
> Book time to meet with me 
> <Outlook-ukk32cwg.png>From: emcai <emcai-bounces at conversationanalysis.org> on behalf of Roger K Moore via emcai <emcai at conversationanalysis.org>
> Sent: 02 October 2024 16:54
> To: emcai at conversationanalysis.org <emcai at conversationanalysis.org>
> Subject: [emcai] Podcasts generated using Google's NotebookLM
>  ** THIS MESSAGE ORIGINATED OUTSIDE LOUGHBOROUGH UNIVERSITY **
> ** Be wary of links or attachments, especially if the email is unsolicited or you don't recognise the sender's email address. **
> Hi All,
> 
> In case you are not aware, the latest AI development from Google provides the ability to generate a podcast-style conversation between two 'individuals' automatically from an uploaded document (e.g. a scientific paper)?  The results are astounding, both in terms of the speech and the dialogue.
> 
> Here are two examples I generated based on ...
>     ? 
> my recent VIHAR-24 paper on "What Needs to be Known in Order to Perform a Meaningful Scientific Comparison Between Animal Communications and Human Spoken Language", and
>     ? the famous "Chicken Chicken Chicken" paper by Doug Zongker.
> I wonder how these AI-generated interactions stack-up from a CA perspective?
> 
> Best wishes
> Roger
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Prof ROGER K MOORE* BA(Hons) MSc PhD FIOA FISCA MIET SMIEEE
> 
> Deputy Head of School
> Chair of Spoken Language Processing
> Head of Speech & Hearing Research Group (SpandH)
> Vocal Interactivity Lab (VILab), Sheffield Robotics
> School of Computer Science, UNIVERSITY OF SHEFFIELD
> Regent Court, 211 Portobello, Sheffield, S1 4DP, UK
> 
> * Winner of the 2016 Antonio Zampolli Prize for "Outstanding Contributions 
> to the Advancement of Language Resources & Language Technology 
> Evaluation within Human Language Technologies"
> 
> e-mail:  r.k.moore at sheffield.ac.uk
> web: http://staffwww.dcs.shef.ac.uk/people/R.K.Moore/
> twitter: @rogerkmoore
> Tel: +44 (0) 11422 21807
> Fax: +44 (0) 11422 21810
> Mob: +44 (0) 7910 073631
> 
> Editor-in-Chief: COMPUTER SPEECH AND LANGUAGE
> (http://www.journals.elsevier.com/computer-speech-and-language/)
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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From E.Stokoe at lse.ac.uk  Thu Oct  3 06:25:26 2024
From: E.Stokoe at lse.ac.uk (Stokoe,E)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 12:25:26 +0000
Subject: [emcai] Podcasts generated using Google's NotebookLM
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An interesting thread about it here:

https://bsky.app/profile/carlbergstrom.com/post/3l4h45k2dlg2c 

Liz

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Hi Roger,

No real analysis, just an impression ? seconding also Magnus analysis:

The ?hosts? communicative feedback is off and makes it unclear who knows what. In their listener behavior they produce newsmakers, as if what the other says is unknown to them, but then, in the next turn, they just take over and seemingly have all the information, and suddenly the other seems clueless. I think the model is missing that the two speakers are  independent entities with asymmetric knowledge. To me this shows how important representations of the self and the other are, even when just producing something that ?just generates? output and is not interactive.

More generally I question the merit of such applications. There are more than enough podcasts. Some people mentioned that the thing is prone to halucination as well.

From a scientific network perspective, we could think about an in depth analysis of one of these "dialogues" looking at various conversational phenomena that are produced.

Cheers

Hendrik



> On 3. Oct 2024, at 11:46, Nicolas Rollet via emcai <emcai at conversationanalysis.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> pauses are over-marked too, as if it's based on the fact that pauses is the key-trigger for continuers, with remind me of a very basic definition of turn in computer science, no ?
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Nicolas Rollet
> T?l?com Paris
> Department of Economics and Social Sciences
> INTERACT
> Institut polytechnique de Paris
> I3 UMR 9217 ? CNRS 
> Site i3
> Encyclop?die de la parole 
> (+33)6 88 75 86 28
> bureau 3A259
> 
> De: "L.E.M. de Rijk, (Lynn) via emcai" <emcai at conversationanalysis.org>
> ?: "L.E.M. de Rijk, (Lynn) via emcai" <emcai at conversationanalysis.org>
> Envoy?: Mercredi 2 Octobre 2024 18:59:11
> Objet: Re: [emcai] Podcasts generated using Google's NotebookLM
> 
> I also immediately noticed the massive overuse of continuers, acknowledgments and other response tokens. But I will say, I just tried this thing with one of our papers, and it worked very smoothly there, generating quite a realistic experience. The "podcast" really captures the majority of the contents of the paper accurately and even offers comprehensible summary descriptions of what happens in the data fragments :-O 
> 
> Quite fascinating, I must say! Thanks for sharing this, Roger.
> Best,
> Uwe
> 
> 
> Am 02.10.2024 um 18:51 schrieb Magnus Hamann via emcai:
> Just a first noticing:
> There is definitely something with the sequential distribution of "continuers" that is a little off.
> That said, this is definitely an interesting tool (thinking about students with dyslexia here).
> 
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> Magnus Hamann
> 
> Informal office hour every Monday, Tuesday (both online), or Thursday (in my office) 11-12<Outlook-ypjhe4zs.png>
> 
> Book time to meet with me 
> <Outlook-ukk32cwg.png>From: emcai <emcai-bounces at conversationanalysis.org> on behalf of Roger K Moore via emcai <emcai at conversationanalysis.org>
> Sent: 02 October 2024 16:54
> To: emcai at conversationanalysis.org <emcai at conversationanalysis.org>
> Subject: [emcai] Podcasts generated using Google's NotebookLM
>  ** THIS MESSAGE ORIGINATED OUTSIDE LOUGHBOROUGH UNIVERSITY **
> ** Be wary of links or attachments, especially if the email is unsolicited or you don't recognise the sender's email address. **
> Hi All,
> 
> In case you are not aware, the latest AI development from Google provides the ability to generate a podcast-style conversation between two 'individuals' automatically from an uploaded document (e.g. a scientific paper)?  The results are astounding, both in terms of the speech and the dialogue.
> 
> Here are two examples I generated based on ...
>     ? 
> my recent VIHAR-24 paper on "What Needs to be Known in Order to Perform a Meaningful Scientific Comparison Between Animal Communications and Human Spoken Language", and
>     ? the famous "Chicken Chicken Chicken" paper by Doug Zongker.
> I wonder how these AI-generated interactions stack-up from a CA perspective?
> 
> Best wishes
> Roger
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> 
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From M.Hamann at lboro.ac.uk  Thu Oct  3 06:32:49 2024
From: M.Hamann at lboro.ac.uk (Magnus Hamann)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 12:32:49 +0000
Subject: [emcai] Podcasts generated using Google's NotebookLM
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Hi Hendrik,

This was also a thing I noticed. That the AI keeps interchanging their roles of K+ and K- (as some would maybe dub it).

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Hi Roger,

No real analysis, just an impression ? seconding also Magnus analysis:

The ?hosts? communicative feedback is off and makes it unclear who knows what. In their listener behavior they produce newsmakers, as if what the other says is unknown to them, but then, in the next turn, they just take over and seemingly have all the information, and suddenly the other seems clueless. I think the model is missing that the two speakers are  independent entities with asymmetric knowledge. To me this shows how important representations of the self and the other are, even when just producing something that ?just generates? output and is not interactive.

More generally I question the merit of such applications. There are more than enough podcasts. Some people mentioned that the thing is prone to halucination as well.

From a scientific network perspective, we could think about an in depth analysis of one of these "dialogues" looking at various conversational phenomena that are produced.

Cheers

Hendrik



> On 3. Oct 2024, at 11:46, Nicolas Rollet via emcai <emcai at conversationanalysis.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> pauses are over-marked too, as if it's based on the fact that pauses is the key-trigger for continuers, with remind me of a very basic definition of turn in computer science, no ?
>
> Best wishes
>
> Nicolas Rollet
> T?l?com Paris
> Department of Economics and Social Sciences INTERACT Institut 
> polytechnique de Paris
> I3 UMR 9217 ? CNRS
> Site i3
> Encyclop?die de la parole
> (+33)6 88 75 86 28
> bureau 3A259
>
> De: "L.E.M. de Rijk, (Lynn) via emcai" 
> <emcai at conversationanalysis.org>
> ?: "L.E.M. de Rijk, (Lynn) via emcai" <emcai at conversationanalysis.org>
> Envoy?: Mercredi 2 Octobre 2024 18:59:11
> Objet: Re: [emcai] Podcasts generated using Google's NotebookLM
>
> I also immediately noticed the massive overuse of continuers, 
> acknowledgments and other response tokens. But I will say, I just 
> tried this thing with one of our papers, and it worked very smoothly 
> there, generating quite a realistic experience. The "podcast" really 
> captures the majority of the contents of the paper accurately and even 
> offers comprehensible summary descriptions of what happens in the data 
> fragments :-O
>
> Quite fascinating, I must say! Thanks for sharing this, Roger.
> Best,
> Uwe
>
>
> Am 02.10.2024 um 18:51 schrieb Magnus Hamann via emcai:
> Just a first noticing:
> There is definitely something with the sequential distribution of "continuers" that is a little off.
> That said, this is definitely an interesting tool (thinking about students with dyslexia here).
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
> Magnus Hamann
>
> Informal office hour every Monday, Tuesday (both online), or Thursday 
> (in my office) 11-12<Outlook-ypjhe4zs.png>
>
> Book time to meet with me
> <Outlook-ukk32cwg.png>From: emcai 
> <emcai-bounces at conversationanalysis.org> on behalf of Roger K Moore 
> via emcai <emcai at conversationanalysis.org>
> Sent: 02 October 2024 16:54
> To: emcai at conversationanalysis.org <emcai at conversationanalysis.org>
> Subject: [emcai] Podcasts generated using Google's NotebookLM
>  ** THIS MESSAGE ORIGINATED OUTSIDE LOUGHBOROUGH UNIVERSITY **
> ** Be wary of links or attachments, especially if the email is 
> unsolicited or you don't recognise the sender's email address. ** Hi 
> All,
>
> In case you are not aware, the latest AI development from Google provides the ability to generate a podcast-style conversation between two 'individuals' automatically from an uploaded document (e.g. a scientific paper)?  The results are astounding, both in terms of the speech and the dialogue.
>
> Here are two examples I generated based on ...
>     ?
> my recent VIHAR-24 paper on "What Needs to be Known in Order to Perform a Meaningful Scientific Comparison Between Animal Communications and Human Spoken Language", and
>     ? the famous "Chicken Chicken Chicken" paper by Doug Zongker.
> I wonder how these AI-generated interactions stack-up from a CA perspective?
>
> Best wishes
> Roger
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------- Prof ROGER K MOORE* BA(Hons) MSc PhD FIOA 
> FISCA MIET SMIEEE
>
> Deputy Head of School
> Chair of Spoken Language Processing
> Head of Speech & Hearing Research Group (SpandH) Vocal Interactivity 
> Lab (VILab), Sheffield Robotics School of Computer Science, UNIVERSITY 
> OF SHEFFIELD Regent Court, 211 Portobello, Sheffield, S1 4DP, UK
>
> * Winner of the 2016 Antonio Zampolli Prize for "Outstanding 
> Contributions to the Advancement of Language Resources & Language 
> Technology Evaluation within Human Language Technologies"
>
> e-mail:  r.k.moore at sheffield.ac.uk
> web: http://staffwww.dcs.shef.ac.uk/people/R.K.Moore/
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From Stuart.Reeves at nottingham.ac.uk  Fri Oct  4 10:21:32 2024
From: Stuart.Reeves at nottingham.ac.uk (Stuart Reeves)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2024 16:21:32 +0000
Subject: [emcai] Podcasts generated using Google's NotebookLM
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I guess K+/K- at least has a clear computational mapping :)

On Formal Structures of Practical Actions has a pretty hilarious summary:
https://notebooklm.google.com/notebook/9c1218c4-3d43-430a-a5af-13aa831de964/audio

What's interesting is that what is generated is almost 'keyword' list based clearly in terms of what has the strongest signal in the model e.g., specifically:

- Roses's gloss
- Indexical words
- Formulations
- Context-free descriptions


> On 3 Oct 2024, at 13:32, Magnus Hamann via emcai <emcai at conversationanalysis.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Hendrik,
>
> This was also a thing I noticed. That the AI keeps interchanging their roles of K+ and K- (as some would maybe dub it).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: emcai <emcai-bounces at conversationanalysis.org> On Behalf Of Hendrik Buschmeier via emcai
> Sent: 03 October 2024 13:16
> To: L.E.M. de Rijk, (Lynn) via emcai <emcai at conversationanalysis.org>
> Subject: Re: [emcai] Podcasts generated using Google's NotebookLM
>
> ** THIS MESSAGE ORIGINATED OUTSIDE LOUGHBOROUGH UNIVERSITY **
>
> ** Be wary of links or attachments, especially if the email is unsolicited or you don't recognise the sender's email address. **
>
> Hi Roger,
>
> No real analysis, just an impression ? seconding also Magnus analysis:
>
> The ?hosts? communicative feedback is off and makes it unclear who knows what. In their listener behavior they produce newsmakers, as if what the other says is unknown to them, but then, in the next turn, they just take over and seemingly have all the information, and suddenly the other seems clueless. I think the model is missing that the two speakers are  independent entities with asymmetric knowledge. To me this shows how important representations of the self and the other are, even when just producing something that ?just generates? output and is not interactive.
>
> More generally I question the merit of such applications. There are more than enough podcasts. Some people mentioned that the thing is prone to halucination as well.
>
> From a scientific network perspective, we could think about an in depth analysis of one of these "dialogues" looking at various conversational phenomena that are produced.
>
> Cheers
>
> Hendrik
>
>
>
>> On 3. Oct 2024, at 11:46, Nicolas Rollet via emcai <emcai at conversationanalysis.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> pauses are over-marked too, as if it's based on the fact that pauses is the key-trigger for continuers, with remind me of a very basic definition of turn in computer science, no ?
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Nicolas Rollet
>> T?l?com Paris
>> Department of Economics and Social Sciences INTERACT Institut
>> polytechnique de Paris
>> I3 UMR 9217 ? CNRS
>> Site i3
>> Encyclop?die de la parole
>> (+33)6 88 75 86 28
>> bureau 3A259
>>
>> De: "L.E.M. de Rijk, (Lynn) via emcai"
>> <emcai at conversationanalysis.org>
>> ?: "L.E.M. de Rijk, (Lynn) via emcai" <emcai at conversationanalysis.org>
>> Envoy?: Mercredi 2 Octobre 2024 18:59:11
>> Objet: Re: [emcai] Podcasts generated using Google's NotebookLM
>>
>> I also immediately noticed the massive overuse of continuers,
>> acknowledgments and other response tokens. But I will say, I just
>> tried this thing with one of our papers, and it worked very smoothly
>> there, generating quite a realistic experience. The "podcast" really
>> captures the majority of the contents of the paper accurately and even
>> offers comprehensible summary descriptions of what happens in the data
>> fragments :-O
>>
>> Quite fascinating, I must say! Thanks for sharing this, Roger.
>> Best,
>> Uwe
>>
>>
>> Am 02.10.2024 um 18:51 schrieb Magnus Hamann via emcai:
>> Just a first noticing:
>> There is definitely something with the sequential distribution of "continuers" that is a little off.
>> That said, this is definitely an interesting tool (thinking about students with dyslexia here).
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Magnus Hamann
>>
>> Informal office hour every Monday, Tuesday (both online), or Thursday
>> (in my office) 11-12<Outlook-ypjhe4zs.png>
>>
>> Book time to meet with me
>> <Outlook-ukk32cwg.png>From: emcai
>> <emcai-bounces at conversationanalysis.org> on behalf of Roger K Moore
>> via emcai <emcai at conversationanalysis.org>
>> Sent: 02 October 2024 16:54
>> To: emcai at conversationanalysis.org <emcai at conversationanalysis.org>
>> Subject: [emcai] Podcasts generated using Google's NotebookLM
>> ** THIS MESSAGE ORIGINATED OUTSIDE LOUGHBOROUGH UNIVERSITY **
>> ** Be wary of links or attachments, especially if the email is
>> unsolicited or you don't recognise the sender's email address. ** Hi
>> All,
>>
>> In case you are not aware, the latest AI development from Google provides the ability to generate a podcast-style conversation between two 'individuals' automatically from an uploaded document (e.g. a scientific paper)?  The results are astounding, both in terms of the speech and the dialogue.
>>
>> Here are two examples I generated based on ...
>>    ?
>> my recent VIHAR-24 paper on "What Needs to be Known in Order to Perform a Meaningful Scientific Comparison Between Animal Communications and Human Spoken Language", and
>>    ? the famous "Chicken Chicken Chicken" paper by Doug Zongker.
>> I wonder how these AI-generated interactions stack-up from a CA perspective?
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Roger
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --------------------------- Prof ROGER K MOORE* BA(Hons) MSc PhD FIOA
>> FISCA MIET SMIEEE
>>
>> Deputy Head of School
>> Chair of Spoken Language Processing
>> Head of Speech & Hearing Research Group (SpandH) Vocal Interactivity
>> Lab (VILab), Sheffield Robotics School of Computer Science, UNIVERSITY
>> OF SHEFFIELD Regent Court, 211 Portobello, Sheffield, S1 4DP, UK
>>
>> * Winner of the 2016 Antonio Zampolli Prize for "Outstanding
>> Contributions to the Advancement of Language Resources & Language
>> Technology Evaluation within Human Language Technologies"
>>
>> e-mail:  r.k.moore at sheffield.ac.uk
>> web: http://staffwww.dcs.shef.ac.uk/people/R.K.Moore/
>> twitter: @rogerkmoore
>> Tel: +44 (0) 11422 21807
>> Fax: +44 (0) 11422 21810
>> Mob: +44 (0) 7910 073631
>>
>> Editor-in-Chief: COMPUTER SPEECH AND LANGUAGE
>> (http://www.journals.elsevier.com/computer-speech-and-language/)
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ----------------------
>>
>>
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From hannah.pelikan at liu.se  Fri Oct 11 05:06:58 2024
From: hannah.pelikan at liu.se (Hannah Pelikan)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 11:06:58 +0000
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Hi,

chiming in as well ? I tried this recently with one of my papers and got the impression that it has the obvious LLM problems of hallucinating, which can be particularly problematic when one uses the podcast to get a summary of articles (our recent paper with Stuart and Marina on Autonomous Robots on Public Streets<https://doi.org/10.1145/3610977.3634936> was glossed as being about the trolley problem, which is quite a stretch).

I share the impression about the ?who knows what? problem. Both voices contribute snippets of information, but they don?t seem to necessarily build on each other?s contribution, there is no mutual understanding, even if it sounds like that on the surface (even Clark?s grounding model would apply here, which you probably are familiar with, Roger?).

It also strikes me how the prosody of these AI voices becomes so perfect that it gets boring, similar to reading AI generated texts, it sounds amazing for a while, but after some minutes I find it difficult to remember what I just heard.

Best wishes,
Hannah

From: emcai <emcai-bounces at conversationanalysis.org> on behalf of Stuart Reeves via emcai <emcai at conversationanalysis.org>
Date: Friday, 4 October 2024 at 18:38
To: Magnus Hamann <M.Hamann at lboro.ac.uk>
Cc: L.E.M. de Rijk, (Lynn) via emcai <emcai at conversationanalysis.org>
Subject: Re: [emcai] Podcasts generated using Google's NotebookLM
I guess K+/K- at least has a clear computational mapping :)

On Formal Structures of Practical Actions has a pretty hilarious summary:
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What's interesting is that what is generated is almost 'keyword' list based clearly in terms of what has the strongest signal in the model e.g., specifically:

- Roses's gloss
- Indexical words
- Formulations
- Context-free descriptions


> On 3 Oct 2024, at 13:32, Magnus Hamann via emcai <emcai at conversationanalysis.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Hendrik,
>
> This was also a thing I noticed. That the AI keeps interchanging their roles of K+ and K- (as some would maybe dub it).
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> Hi Roger,
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> No real analysis, just an impression ? seconding also Magnus analysis:
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> The ?hosts? communicative feedback is off and makes it unclear who knows what. In their listener behavior they produce newsmakers, as if what the other says is unknown to them, but then, in the next turn, they just take over and seemingly have all the information, and suddenly the other seems clueless. I think the model is missing that the two speakers are  independent entities with asymmetric knowledge. To me this shows how important representations of the self and the other are, even when just producing something that ?just generates? output and is not interactive.
>
> More generally I question the merit of such applications. There are more than enough podcasts. Some people mentioned that the thing is prone to halucination as well.
>
> From a scientific network perspective, we could think about an in depth analysis of one of these "dialogues" looking at various conversational phenomena that are produced.
>
> Cheers
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>
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>> On 3. Oct 2024, at 11:46, Nicolas Rollet via emcai <emcai at conversationanalysis.org> wrote:
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>> Hi,
>>
>> pauses are over-marked too, as if it's based on the fact that pauses is the key-trigger for continuers, with remind me of a very basic definition of turn in computer science, no ?
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>> Objet: Re: [emcai] Podcasts generated using Google's NotebookLM
>>
>> I also immediately noticed the massive overuse of continuers,
>> acknowledgments and other response tokens. But I will say, I just
>> tried this thing with one of our papers, and it worked very smoothly
>> there, generating quite a realistic experience. The "podcast" really
>> captures the majority of the contents of the paper accurately and even
>> offers comprehensible summary descriptions of what happens in the data
>> fragments :-O
>>
>> Quite fascinating, I must say! Thanks for sharing this, Roger.
>> Best,
>> Uwe
>>
>>
>> Am 02.10.2024 um 18:51 schrieb Magnus Hamann via emcai:
>> Just a first noticing:
>> There is definitely something with the sequential distribution of "continuers" that is a little off.
>> That said, this is definitely an interesting tool (thinking about students with dyslexia here).
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
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>> In case you are not aware, the latest AI development from Google provides the ability to generate a podcast-style conversation between two 'individuals' automatically from an uploaded document (e.g. a scientific paper)?  The results are astounding, both in terms of the speech and the dialogue.
>>
>> Here are two examples I generated based on ...
>>    ?
>> my recent VIHAR-24 paper on "What Needs to be Known in Order to Perform a Meaningful Scientific Comparison Between Animal Communications and Human Spoken Language", and
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From hannah.pelikan at liu.se  Fri Oct 11 05:13:45 2024
From: hannah.pelikan at liu.se (Hannah Pelikan)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 11:13:45 +0000
Subject: [emcai] EMCAI Network meeting on October 25 12.30 CET
Message-ID: <MM0P280MB064713C21E146152C9567DB5E8792@MM0P280MB0647.SWEP280.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Dear EMCA/AI network members,

Welcome to our next meeting on October 25th, 12.30-14.00 CET.

We will have a data session hosted by Lynn de Rijk, Wyke Stommel and Mike Huiskes on human-cat interaction. We are excited that this session will provide some empirical underpinning to our discussions, which often draw comparisons between interacting with machines and animals. Please find the abstract at the bottom of the email.

Link: https://liu-se.zoom.us/j/62999036262

You can also already mark November 22nd in your calendars, which will be the last session in this year. More details: https://emcai.conversationanalysis.org/events/

Best wishes,
Hannah, Lynn and Saul


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Abstract
This data session, we will look at video-recordings made in a Dutch cat caf?. We are especially interested in ways humans and cats initiate doing (or not doing) something together, with one question raised by the data being: when can we even speak of (an) interaction? With so many of our network members involved in studying some form of human-machine interaction, we are furthermore interested to see how this data can be analyzed using that experience, for example, whether we can identify similar practices in how humans approach cats and how humans approach ?social? machines.

Subtitles will be provided with the video?s to ensure non-Dutch speakers can follow along easily.
If you know any EM/CA researchers interested in interspecies interaction, please feel free to invite them!


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From hannah.pelikan at liu.se  Fri Oct 11 05:16:24 2024
From: hannah.pelikan at liu.se (Hannah Pelikan)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 11:16:24 +0000
Subject: [emcai] EMCAI Network meeting
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[Dear EMCA/AI network members, for your convenience also as a calendar invitation.]

We will have a data session hosted by Lynn de Rijk, Wyke Stommel and Mike Huiskes on human-cat interaction.

Abstract
This data session, we will look at video-recordings made in a Dutch cat caf?. We are especially interested in ways humans and cats initiate doing (or not doing) something together, with one question raised by the data being: when can we even speak of (an) interaction? With so many of our network members involved in studying some form of human-machine interaction, we are furthermore interested to see how this data can be analyzed using that experience, for example, whether we can identify similar practices in how humans approach cats and how humans approach ?social? machines.

Subtitles will be provided with the video?s to ensure non-Dutch speakers can follow along easily. If you know any EM/CA researchers interested in interspecies interaction, please feel free to invite them!

We are excited that this session will provide some empirical underpinning to our discussions, which often draw comparisons between interacting with machines and animals.

Best wishes,
Hannah, Lynn and Saul

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From d.beraldo at uva.nl  Wed Oct 16 04:09:24 2024
From: d.beraldo at uva.nl (Davide Beraldo)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2024 12:09:24 +0200
Subject: [emcai] PhD position on AI and Meaning-Making
Message-ID: <46aa3eab-aeb1-4bbe-9253-408e906707ac@uva.nl>

Dear all,

My name is Davide Beraldo, and I am an Assistant Professor at the 
Institute for Logic, Language and Computation (ILLC), University of 
Amsterdam. While my existing research has focused on different topics, I 
have long been fascinated by ethnomethodology and recently I have been 
exploring the intersection between ethnomethodology and artificial 
intelligence.

I was excited to discover this research network, which seems like the 
perfect place to share an open PhD position at ILLC on AI and 
Meaning-Making 
<https://vacatures.uva.nl/UvA/job/PhD-Position-in-AI-and-Meaning-Making/804894302/>, 
with a direct reference to ethnomethodology. The application deadline is 
20 November.

I would greatly appreciate it if you could forward this opportunity to 
potential candidates or anyone who might know someone interested.

Thank you for your help!

Best regards,
Davide Beraldo
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From bdue at hum.ku.dk  Sun Oct 20 17:19:38 2024
From: bdue at hum.ku.dk (Brian Lystgaard Due)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2024 23:19:38 +0000
Subject: [emcai] two postdoc positions
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my best
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2024 publications:
Due, B. L. (2024). Computer vision in situ: A ?video-based contextual inquiry? with blind people shopping using smart glasses. Journal of Interactional Research in Communication Disorders. https://doi.org/10.1558/jircd.27885

Due, B. L., & Rasmussen, G. (2024). An ethnomethodological approach to the study of impairment: The case of people with visual impairment in social interaction. Journal of Interactional Research in Communication Disorders. https://doi.org/10.1558/jircd.31600

Due, B. L. (2024). "Assemmethodology: A third way between anthropocentrism and non-anthropocentrism?. Magazin 3/4. https://34.sk/en/assemmethodology-a-third-way-between-anthropocentrism-and-non-anthropocentrism

Due, B. L. (2024). "The matter of math: Guiding the blind to touch the Pythagorean theorem?. Learning, Culture and Social Interaction, 45, 100792. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.lcsi.2023.100792.

Due, B. L. (2024). The Practical Accomplishment of Everyday Activities Without Sight. Taylor & Francis.

Due, B. L. (2024d). "The practical accomplishment of living with visual impairment: An EM/CA approach". In B. L. Due (Ed.), The Practical Accomplishment of Everyday Activities Without Sight (pp. 1?26). Routledge.

Due, B. L., Sakaida, R., Nisisawa, H. Y., & Minami, Y. (2024). "From embodied scanning to tactile inspections: When visually impaired persons exhibit object understanding". In B. L. Due (Ed.)The Practical Accomplishment of Everyday Activities Without Sight (pp. 154?180). Routledge.

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From s.kalyan at uq.edu.au  Tue Oct 22 23:57:55 2024
From: s.kalyan at uq.edu.au (Siva Kalyan)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 05:57:55 +0000
Subject: [emcai] Chatting with Glue: cognitive tools for augmented
 conversation
Message-ID: <976867E6-E9A0-4CC0-8221-DD78195AD48D@uq.edu.au>

Hi all,

I just came across this visual essay where the author tries to imagine alternative ways of designing chat interfaces in a way that more closely reflects the structure of conversations: https://a9.io/glue-comic/. He makes a brief reference to CA right at the end, but I?m not sure to what extent it informed his proposals.

Thought this would be of interest to the group. Given the increasing prevalence of chat interfaces to AI models, it seems like making these interfaces more cognitively natural is a major way in which CA could contribute to (the current wave of) AI.

Siva
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From hannah.pelikan at liu.se  Fri Oct 25 04:32:55 2024
From: hannah.pelikan at liu.se (Hannah Pelikan)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2024 10:32:55 +0000
Subject: [emcai] EMCAI Network meeting on October 25 12.30 CET
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Welcome to today?s meeting: https://liu-se.zoom.us/j/62999036262

From: emcai <emcai-bounces at conversationanalysis.org> on behalf of Hannah Pelikan via emcai <emcai at conversationanalysis.org>
Date: Friday, 11 October 2024 at 13:14
To: Rijk, L.E.M. de (Lynn) via emcai <emcai at conversationanalysis.org>
Subject: [emcai] EMCAI Network meeting on October 25 12.30 CET
Dear EMCA/AI network members,

Welcome to our next meeting on October 25th, 12.30-14.00 CET.
We will have a data session hosted by Lynn de Rijk, Wyke Stommel and Mike Huiskes on human-cat interaction. We are excited that this session will provide some empirical underpinning to our discussions, which often draw comparisons between interacting with machines and animals. Please find the abstract at the bottom of the email.

Link: https://liu-se.zoom.us/j/62999036262

You can also already mark November 22nd in your calendars, which will be the last session in this year. More details: https://emcai.conversationanalysis.org/events/

Best wishes,
Hannah, Lynn and Saul


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Abstract
This data session, we will look at video-recordings made in a Dutch cat caf?. We are especially interested in ways humans and cats initiate doing (or not doing) something together, with one question raised by the data being: when can we even speak of (an) interaction? With so many of our network members involved in studying some form of human-machine interaction, we are furthermore interested to see how this data can be analyzed using that experience, for example, whether we can identify similar practices in how humans approach cats and how humans approach ?social? machines.

Subtitles will be provided with the video?s to ensure non-Dutch speakers can follow along easily.
If you know any EM/CA researchers interested in interspecies interaction, please feel free to invite them!


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From kate.candon at yale.edu  Wed Oct 23 14:36:07 2024
From: kate.candon at yale.edu (Kate Candon)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 16:36:07 -0400
Subject: [emcai] Submissions for HRI Pioneers 2025 -- due Oct 30th!
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This is a reminder that submissions for HRI Pioneers 2025 are open in the
PCS submission portal! Submission deadline is October 30th!

What is HRI Pioneers?

The HRI Pioneers Workshop aims to foster creativity and collaboration
around the critical challenges in human-robot interaction, and to empower
students early in their academic careers. The workshop provides students
the opportunity to showcase their research, engage in discussions, and
connect with distinguished peers and senior scholars in the field.

Who should apply?

We invite students at any stage of their academic journey to apply. Whether
you?re a newcomer or an advanced researcher, HRI Pioneers is a unique
opportunity to present your work, gain feedback, and network with experts
in the field.

Application information: https://hripioneers.org/apply

Application site: https://new.precisionconference.com/submissions

What else?

1. We aim to provide some support for  travel and accommodation expenses.
However, this is contingent on available funding.

2. The application requires a two-page extended abstract about your
research. This will be published in the companion proceedings of the
conference.

Important Dates

** October 30th, 2024 (11:59 PM AOE): Submission deadline

** December 18th, 2024: Notification of acceptance

** January 10th, 2025: Camera-ready deadline

** March 3rd, 2025: HRI Pioneers Workshop

** March 4th-6th, 2025: HRI Main Conference

Best of luck!

- HRI Pioneers 2025 Organizing Committee
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From ali.reza.majlesi at edu.su.se  Tue Oct 29 05:32:38 2024
From: ali.reza.majlesi at edu.su.se (Ali Reza Majlesi)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2024 11:32:38 +0000
Subject: [emcai] Atypical Interaction Conference
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(Apologies for cross-posting)

Dear all,

The Atypical Interaction Conference will take place on 10-12 June 2025 at Link?ping University, Sweden.

The call for submissions especially welcomes studies on robots and AI-based technologies.

The abstract submission deadline is 20 January 2025.

For more information, please visit the conference webpage:

https://liu.se/forskning/atypical-interaction-conference

Best wishes,
Ali Reza (on behalf of the organizing committee)


Med b?sta h?lsningar,
Ali Reza
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